You have my support Paul. Your site is great and it would be awesome to have the RWC in Argentina. Marcus
Its a great idea to bring the RWC to Argentina... after all if Japan can host the tournament then why cant Argentina being a strong rugby playing nation. This will also help in increasing the games popularity in South America.Paolo
It should happen. Luke.
nice site. Good luck for 2023, personally i think you guys would host a great tournament which would be amazing for promoting rugby in south america.
NZ, Sth Africa, Aust, Eng etc - not again. It's getting a bit boring if one of those get the 2023 RWC. Has to be Argentina - a mighty Football nation i.e. soccer - why not Rugby too?
you're not alone... look who's with you! http://www.canchallena.com/1409635-con-la-confirmacion-del-cuatro-naciones-pichot-ahora-va-por-un-mundialcome on argentina for 2023!
Why not use the somewhat smaller but modern stadiums in San Luis and Catamarca?Keep up the good work. I think (and hope) the battle of organizing the 2023 RWC will be between Argentina and Italy. The IRB is realizing they have to spread the gospel of rugby by giving other counties a chance at hosting.
They could both feature for sure. Both cities are sizeable and have adequate stadiums considering how New Zealand hosted Rugby World Cup 2011. They are not the largest cities though which would go against them. I am wondering about Catamarca though as a host city for a test match, maybe Argentina v Georgia in 2013.
I'm also a big fan of the Pumas so it was a nice surprise to come across this site...It's encouraging to see somebody calling for the World Cup to be held away from the traditional powerhouses of Rugby Union. Argentina has a rich Rugby tradition and it would be lovely to see the game's biggest tournament being held there. It would also help to gain Rugby Union more popularity in neighbouring South American countries.Keep up the good work!
habría que hacer algo para que tenga mayor repercusión para traer la copa del mundo acá.con esfuerzo y dedicación y con todos aportando un granito de arena seria más que posible
Fantastic blog Paul, if Agustin Pichot and the UAR with the support of the IRB success to insert The Pumas in the Murdoch 3 Nations.. seems nothing is impossible ... XD despite the URBA making noise at home, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE HeheHope Pumas have a good years in Rugby Championship, to get a full member status in Sanzar and then, the RWC will be a logic step for Argentina and South America, taking in mind the economic growth of the region(average %6-%8 per year)So THANKS FOR THE PROMOTION OF THE RUGBY, Keep the good work!
A good site, well done. I've posted an article looking at the 2023 hosting issue:http://www.bcrugbynews.com/show_news.cfm?ID=678I've used a couple of quotes from your site.Mark
Hi, As a New Zealander who had to endure years of European rugby fans stating that NZ did not have the infrastructure to host a World Cup in 2011, whilst those same unions kept sharing games in pool and quarter final stages with neighbouring coutries, you certainly have my support with your campaign.
Rugby World Cup Argentina 2023http://posavasosderugby.blogspot.com/2011/11/rugby-world-cup-argentina-2023.html
Great site. I hope Argentina won't have to wait too long to host the RWC. Think it might go to Europe again in 2023 (hopefully Italy) but then it should be Argentina's turn in 2027.
¡Hola, gente! Ojalá logren el Mundial de Rugby, se lo merecen. Traten de darle alguna sede a Uruguay, sea en Montevideo o en Punta del Este. ¡Mucha suerte!
What about Pablo Socino as a potential Puma? He has been picked as centre for the UK's Championship Dream Team - he's a class act.
Hello everyone!I support this amazing job for Argentina 2023, everyone in America is dreaming with this big moment!!!But in other matters, I want to share with you a bulletin about how Tier 1 Nations (basically European Nations) deal with the imminent development of Rugby in some other Nations and with the possibility to lose their "prestige".At some point I have the feeling that "Home Nations" are so stuck to tradition than to sport competition… and that’s a shame!!!http://www.sportsrind.com/?p=400
great site. awesome idea. 100% support from CPT, South Africa.Pablo
Che, querido. Linda pagina. La sigo hace rato y me encanta tu aporte. Puedo hacer una sugerencia? Por que no haces un articulo hablando del plan de la CBRu de Brasil de disputar el derecho de recibir el Mundial en 2023/2027 que lo tornaron publico hoy en Brasil? Saludos desde Tucumán!
Prezado Daniel,Segue o link:http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2011/10/brazil-to-bid-for-rugby-world-cup-2023.html Grande Abraço
Big fan of the site. Nice to have a place where we can check out Argentine Rugby. Keep up the good work!
Hola Paul,tengo una iniciativa con respecto al mundial 2023, podrias darme una dirección de mail para esribirte?saludos desde Argentina!Ramiro
Muchas gracias RamiroVoy a contactarte por facebookSaludos!
HI paul, I7m in a rush,but Los pumitas defeated Uruguay the other day. was that Uruguay's senior oir junior squad?
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It was the Under 20 side
thanks for the info Paul and keep up the good work. I think quite a few people follow your work even expats out here in Japan. Back to the match. I'm surprised Los pumitas didn't run up a ton!
There's a young Argentinian fly half/full back called Patricio Fernandez who has been a revelation for Argentina's U20 these last few months. Scored a total of 54 points in 2 games when defeating Junior World Championship holders South Africa. Moreover, he has played excellently in the 2013 JWC, scoring tries, kicking penalties at a successful rate. The 18 year old will be playing tomorrow in the group decider against Wales along with Santiago Cordero. Suggest you watch the fly half and put him on the emerging players list on the left hand side of the website.
Hi Paul, from the black in Japan.As said before, always love your blog and the info it yields. Here something that you may or may not know. The young ARG #8 Facundo Isa that I've bleated on about, has joined Toulon. Worth a feature, don't you think?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rebels-force-granted-foreign-recruit-concession/story-e6frg7o6-1226659621028Maybe the possibility of SANZAR as well as the Rebels and Force trying to buy some Argentinians?
Hi Paul. The blackman in Japan is back. Two things to ask you. I reda on a dodgy rugby forum site (prob planet rugby) that major plans are a foot to have pro rugby in ARG come 2015. You know anything about this? Also if my Spanish has held up, the the tall guy Lavanini has signed for the Chiefs. Now that's definately worth a feature.Him and Isa (Toulon) have been bigged up, too by their fans.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/Agustin-Pichot-Pumas-need-S15-team-20130822Pichot is correct but if SANZAR admit a Argentinian team in the 2016 Super Rugby (which we will know at the end of this year) then it brings up several interesting questions.1)What will the team be called?2)What city/stadium will they play in: the capital in Buenos Aires or the rugby mad city of Tucuman?3)How many overseas players will they allow to bring in so to bring a bit of experience to this new team?4)Importantly will the team adhere to help bring in young talent in the national U20's side so to help the national team and stop young Argentinian players be snapped up by rich French sides of the Top 14?I do feel if an Argentinian team is admitted then many fans will come to see them as their fans are quite passionate: as passionate as fans of Argentinian soccer teams.
Hi Paul. Of course you already know about the citings. Cannot coment on Matera, as saw nothing untowards.But there clearly is case for Senatore. I hope he does mention the nasty choke hold applied on him by Eben, a player who is fast becoming an unsavory sort...but with bags of talents. Maybe you should do a write up on this!
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/argentinas-super-solutionThought this might interest you. Though I wonder what the team will be called and where they will be based?
Hi paul Once again always appriciate your work. I see the jaguars have started their prep for the Americas champs with a narrow win over Buenos Aires select. On second glance though, i think the BA squad looked more like the jaguars with the quality they had! Which members of from both teams do you think will be pumas more sooner than later?Always thought that Alemanno looked good and Ahaluil( sorry bout the spelling) deserved a chance!
There were certainly numerous instances of BsAs having better players in positions than the Jaguars. In many ways it was like an All Blacks trial match of the Possibles v Probables variety from years gone by. Aside from those mentioned the Jaguares players with a possible future are Bruno Postiglioni, Rodrigo Báez, Sebastián Poet, Javier Rojas, Jerónimo De la Fuente, Tomás Carrió, Antonio Ahualli de Chazal, Tomás De la Vega, Joaquín Paz and Axel Müller.BsAs, on the other hand, had the likes of Mauricio Guidone, Martin Garcia Veiga, Javier Ortega Des, Valentín Cruz and Santiago Cordero. Garcia Veiga and Cordero certainly have test careers ahead of them.When video highlights are posted I will post a match review.
Just seen the game here in Japan. You must have gone to bed. Soweto seems like a distant memory. I have a feeling that the pumas had a bug going around at the time!
Oh PS Paul.Where are those video highlights of the game between BA and los jaguars. Only kidding .LOL
No video highlights anywhere unfortunately.
I've just seen both games back to back Paul and I must say the 6 nations might not be the cream but they'll be talking about how much rugby they play compared to today. what? Refs? Not just just down to them although Owens clearly had issues. More of an issue though was the decision making with the Pumas. Lobbe talking to Leguizamon and Figallo about goal or corner. Sanchez cutting back inside with a three man over lap. They could have knocked over 5 penalties in the second half if they carried on with their forward play. Do they want to keep up their perfect record of a try a game this season, at the expense of winning! Ever since I saw them beat Ireland and the ref in Lens 1999 I've made them my second team and to be honest even with Mr Owens in charge they deserved second today. After today's games I think any of these four sides can beat one another leading up to 2015. You heard it from me first!
Is wondering if Argentina do get a Super Rugby team in your view what will they be called and where will they be based. Think they will be named after one of Argentina's soccer teams as they will likely have to play in one of their football stadiums: whether it be at Velez Sarsfield or River Plate's El Monumental Stadium. Maybe you can do a poll on it?
Good idea. Should there be two sides i would think it would be wise to have the team from the interior known as Los Pampas and the one from Buenos Aires to be the Los Aguilas (Eagles).
hi paul. just a quickyalready the fall out from phelan quiting is appearing, with albecete the 1st to fire shots.what do you know from behind the scenes
Paul; Lavanini to racing metro ?
thx paul.btw. 2nd and bkrow monsters seem to be the in thing right now, as a reversal from all those wingers 2 a couple of season back. watch out for santiago portillo, jeronimo mazoni, ignacio calas and an astonishing 17yr old 2m 120 +kg named ignacio larrague.
arg are in a mess. is there anyway i can complain to the uar?
You can contact the UAR here: http://www.uar.com.ar/contacto/
Thanks paul I just contacted them. I know that it has been said that it couldn't work, but don't you think that a proleague is the way forward at least for all those good yougster they have been producing?
2 Super Rugby teams mandatory. Aguilas and Pampas. i.e. http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2013/11/should-argentina-follow-australian.html
As you reported in a previous story by ignacio corleta, I actually think Argentina would prosper with league, one that would feed those 2 SR fanchises!
Hi Paul,You seem to be the man when it comes to info on Argentine rugby so I'm just wondering if you could answer my question. I'm going to the All Blacks match against Argentina in September but as yet, and quite unbelievably , the UAR has dragged its heels and failed to announce a venue for the game. This is a problem for me as I need to arrange travel. I did read on your site that Castillo has once again confirmed La Plata for the All Blacks but I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere else so I'm wondering if you can confirm how accurate your source is.Your help is much appreciated.J
Hi J,I have been told from a former UAR media manager that La Plata will again host the All Blacks test. Luis Castillo did say so too in interviews. He sold ESPN Scrum that La Plata will hsot the fixture:La Plata sigue siendo la sede del encuentro con Nueva Zelanda, falta definir los otros dos. Source: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=1982745&s=rug&type=storyIt was supposed to be made official in December but now it is a waiting game. We should know on February 20 which is when Argentina will be confirmed in Super Rugby.Thank you for your kind words and I hope you enjoy the game!Regards,Paul
I appreciate that, thanks!!
Hi Paul. I was just wondering if you know anything about Manuel Carizza's injury during the stormers game. Is it serious or will he be out for just a little while? And on the subject of locks, what has happened to the speedster Juan Cruz Guillemain. Even French media were bigging him up and now he seems to have disappeared completely!
Guillemaín is playing for the Stade Français Espoirs (juniors). No game time, as of yet, this season for the senior team. Carizza is in doubt for the match this Friday against the Hurricanes with a back injury. He should be ok for the following match should he miss out. Report here: http://thestormers.com/dhl-stormers-injury-report-240214/
Hey Paul, your site is the best, im on it three-four times a day. Awesome. Quick question, do you know any site where we can watch the Pampas XV (Pacific rugby Cup Games) via live stream??? or even repeat games?? Cant seem to find anything. Any help would be welcome. Thanks!
Hi Danny,Thank you for the kind words. I do not know of any streams for the matches and have not looked as they are being played at hours which convert to 2am Argentine time which makes it impossible for me to watch live. Full matches do not seem, for the time being, to exist online. Highlights are always posted on the day of the match or in the days that follow. I will endeavor to post highlights for all matches.
Hey Paul. PAMPAS Win again and again I find it unbelievable that against 11 current super rugby first team players from the Warratah's that these games arent televised. Question, do you speculate that there may be a chance that at the very least maybe the championship game will be televised?Danny O
Hey Paul, great coverage as usual. Question, do you think or know if they will televise/ live stream the IRB pacific rugby cup final (Pampas XV vs Reds A) ??? cant find anything. Thank you.Danny O
Game is live here now: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1347535/events/2861252
Hello Paul.Sorry to bother you and divert your attention from what has been a busy weekend, what with PAC cup, top 14 and URG vs USA WC qual.The national clubs tornament of Arg is underway and the second stage has been completed.Two questions; who do think is going to win and why are the Rosario Elves so strong?At least you know who I think is going to win!
Whats up Paul!!!CONGRATULATIONS TO PAMPAS XV!!!!Question,With the Pampas now having finished their Australian tour and the IRB Junior world championship coming, will the 20 and under pampas be joining the pumitas for the competition?????Were talking about some serious talent hereSantiago Cordero | 20 years oldPatricio Fernandez |19 Years oldSantiago iglesias Valdez | 20 Years oldJulian Montoya | 20 Years oldLucas Noguera Paz | 20 years oldGuido Petti Pagadizabal| 19 years oldTomas Ramirez | 19 Years oldThanks!Danny O.
Hi Danny,The players are back in Argentina in their regional centres. A number are playing in the Nacional de Clubes and will subsequently play in the South American Championship and either the IRB Junior World Championship or the June tests v Ireland and Scotland. With the IRB tournament being played in June there will be players missing out on facing the Europeans. Pato Fernández is a name that has popped up as missing. Hourcade will likely not select him and instead utilize Nicolás Sánchez and Benjamín Urdapilleta as his fly halves and have Santiago Fernández playing 12.
Hello Paul. Once again may I say that your site is doing a great job on reporting rugby, not only in Argentina but throughout the Americas as a whole. There are two points I want to talk about.One is Ireland's summer tour team. I think they have named a strong team, with all if not most of their names coming. How do you feel about Argentina's chances. The Pumas are definately playing a more attacking style of rugby under Houracade, But Uruguay isn't exactly stern competition. I think they will be lose the series. But what is more important is how they lose the series and how their domestic players stand up.This brings me on to my second point. If stories coming out of Argentina are true and Fernandez will not be present in the RC, then what of other players who ply their trade in the north. I think the UAR must consider building it's team for the pumas based solely on domestic players now. This is tricky, I know. But I always saw a power struggle coming when Pichot said that only home based players will be selected in the future. Imhoff won't be playing either after 2015 and Hernandez has long said that he wants to finish his rugby in Japan's top league. The UAR must act to develop all future internationals in Argentina now. France will continue to keep knocking (Herrera), and the lure of the euro will be strong.A pro league that acts as a feeder to the SR team,( why on earth didn't the UAR go for two teams) could be a solution. But one doesn't know where the money will come from!Building an all out domestic national team will be painful at first. However, can anyone remember Alex Fergerson's young squads in the champions league and how they started off? Mark, the man in Japan.
Hey Paul!! Site continues to be one of my favorites, thanks for all you do. I wanted to get your opinion on a matter regarding the Argies playing in Europe that will be called to play the Rugby Championship. The current "B" squad that is composed of mostly pampas and some local and european players have been paracticing a new more dynamic brand of rugby. I believe the Australia tour had a tremendous effect on how the pumas coaches are conducting their practices and subsequently parlaying that into their gameplan. Understanding that Uruguay is a tier 2 nation it was very interesting to see those new formations in attact playing out smoothly. I see the next generation really evolving their rugby, but I guess my question is the following;At the moment, for the upcoming Rugby Championship, we are most likely still going to rely on our European guns. Yet they havent had the Asutralian tour, the tons of practices that has developed the current "B" squad. How the heck will they be able to adapt to this new dynamic and seemingly very effective brand of rugby were learning to play with just a couple of weeks in pensacola and a couple of weeks practice in Buenos Aires??? You think they will adapt fast? I mean our european backs (Imhoff, Hernandez etc) are awesome but I'd hate to see a royal mess of mistakes at the RC due to our top guns having a few weeks to take in Australian type practices/ Dynamic type gameplans that are far different from what we did the last couple of years or what they do in Europe. Please make me feel better. Your the Best!!! Thank youDanny O.
Hi Paul... Well, there goes SANZAR's (at least the NZRU and ARU's) plan A for their Super Rugby's18th team... Asia is unlikely to bid for a team... I understand Asia was by far their first choice. According to the ARFU president Trevor Gregory, no Asian side is going to bid for Super Rugby (see links below) due to the costs involved, and a general lack of interest in playing in the tournament (especially in Japan). http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/22/uk-rugby-super-asia-idUKKBN0E20VC20140522http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/140522/Too_soon_for_Super_Rugby_in_AsiaLet's face it... It was only a matter of time before any effort to grow the game hit a speed bump... with money the dampner as usual... As much as I want to see rugby grow, I can't see any other franchise stumping up the cash SANZAR is asking for in the article... I'm counting the seconds to SANZAR reverting back to a three country tournament, and the promises made to Argentina about having a side evapourating into thin air. This is rugby after all... where lack of progress on and off the field is king.
Super Rugby became professional in 1996 and ushered in the cosy SANZAR alliance (which in terms of developing the game was a step backwards... before that, let's not forget the Pacific Islands had played NZ, Aus and SA provinces in the Super 10). Now, 20 years later with plans to finally expand this tournament into other countries (and SANZAR finally realising that there is rugby in the Southern Hemisphere outside NZ, Aus and RSA), the predictable stalling processes/ obstacles/ reasons why it "can't" happen etc etc kick in...yawn... Such is the way with rugby's administrators... the big picture will always, always, always come second to greed, self interest and general myopic thinking. But is any of this surprising, given how long fans had to wait to see Argentina join the Rugby Championship (16 years later)? Or how after eight RWCs (spanning over what will be almost 30 years come 2015), rugby's blazers continue to host that tournament in exclusively "founding union" territories? (yes, the RWC Japan is coming in 2019, about time too...) ...plus giving an unfair schedule to the tier 2 and 3 teams (yes, there are tiny improvements, but why do we need an ODD number of teams in each pool and richer teams getting a blatantly more favorable schedule time after time after time?)...If there were more administrators in the game like Agustin Pichot in rugby boardrooms, then we might actually have a game which puts the sport first, and self interest/ money / egos / anything but rugby second... until then, this game will be forever like a caged eagle, never allowed to get off the ground and realise its full potential...
Paul,Los pumitas have lost to Italy. Shocking!Is there any idea what is eating at the Argentine camp?They've got some good kids there.Mark, the man in Japan.
Paul mate, Ayerza has been called up to the pumas. Hope yet for Albercete. Do a write up!Mark, the man in Japan.
Thanks Mark.I am actually on vacation and not going to be producing new material until next week. Upon my return I will get into action.
No problem. Enjoy your hoiday; you deserve it!Mark, the man in Japan.
Hi Paul... Great blog. I like the way you take the sides of the emerging sides in rugby. Rugby is a fantastic sport, but sadly sorely lacking in administrators who can help it realise its potential. The more pressure you and other journalists put on the powers that be, the better. I am convinced that this game is operating at 10% of what it could be. (I think the football world cup showed that rugby really is light years behind, in terms of the number of truly competitive teams at the top level of the game)... But I guess time can change that, providing the right people are in power and make smart decisions... A few questions for you. If you know the answers, great, but I realise these may be difficult to answer given lack of current concrete info from SANZAR/ the NZRU themselves... Supposedly, Argentina has a "confirmed" franchise for Super Rugby. Although that fills me with optimism, I can't help but feel a tad skeptical, given the multiple hurdles rugby's smaller nations have to face... Not to mention hurdles that appear out of nowhere, just when you think they're over the line and finally onto something new! Lol. So question 1: Is there any way Argentina's Super Rugby place could go up in smoke? For example, if the broadcasters don't give the three existing SANZAR countries the pot of gold they're hoping for, could SANZAR turn around and say to Argentina, "um, actually you can't join us anymore, sorry chaps...we're reverting to a 16 team tournament, with Southern Kings as the only new side"... And how much is Argentina's involvement in Super Rugby dependent on SANZAR finding a financially and successful on the field 18th team (from Singapore or Japan)?And question 2... Is the Samoa v NZ actually fully confirmed? I see Samoa have confirmed the game from their side, but the NZRU's silence on the matter worries me somewhat...Cheers bud
The Pampas XV is confirmed as being the Argentina Super Rugby franchise. It is to made up of Pampas players in addition to returners from abroad. The team is to play all home matches in Buenos Aires. Everything has been put in place for the team to enter in the 2016 competition. The Samoa v New Zealand test match has been confirmed by but yet to be made official by unions. It could take quite some time to be entirely confirmed but indeed looks to be set to happen.
Hi Paul... Do you think Argentina will finally break their duck in the Rugby Championship this year? Or will we have to wait till after 2015 to see that happen? If and when they get most of their players into Super Rugby, surely they'll be more competitive... I just hope the broadcasters give SANZAR financial backing for the extended tournament... There have been rumours of broadcasters (especially in Australia) having concerns about whether the expanded tournament will sell... If they refuse to back the tournament, what then for Argentina? Back into the wilderness for another 100 years? Heaven forbid that should happen!! Argentinian rugby and rugby as a whole would suffer greatly...
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Hi Paul... I'm sending you a link of a classic video (the full version and shorter one)... Eddie Jones gives Japan an absolute roasting after they fail to turn up against the French Barbarians in 2012. I love the part where he says: "It's not funny!", and then..."Perhaps I should leave"... Long version:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubao1O6LdcShort version:http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/other-sports/news/video-former-wallaby-coach-eddie-jones-lets-rip-at-japanese-players/I wonder if his high expectations and how seriously he takes winning has rubbed off on the team since? As a rugby reporter and having followed Japan, do you think they have turned a corner? I understand they are 10th in the world now... and have beaten Wales, Italy and Samoa under Eddie's guidance... Mark the man in Japan... Do you remember this interview? How do you think the team has progressed since?
Hi Paul. Just to let you know, I recommended your website and book in two comments I made on the websites "ESPN Scrum" and "Planet Rugby" (see links below). It was in response to the news that Ireland will officially bid for the World Cup in 2023. I made entirely positive comments about the website and book, I hasten to add!http://www.espn.co.uk/ireland/rugby/story/250093.htmlhttp://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9592985,00.htmlCheersChris Saunders